Today should have seen the launch of a new self-paced online course based on the bird and the lion of the Wolfgang chasuble (c. AD 1050). I planned on having a nice cash flow coming in before my next research trip. Not happening quite yet. I was stopped by a customer. It meant that I spent most of my time researching what my options were, how to prevent it from happening again and chasing said customer. It took and takes a lot of time and energy as the issue is sadly still not resolved. When you follow Yvette Stanton, you have probably read about her woes with cancelled classes and a massive copyright breach. Being self-employed in the embroidery business is not always fun. Some customers forget that there is a real human being on the other end. A little mindfulness goes a long way. So, what happened? Last week, I was contacted by Stripe (the payment portal for direct credit card payments on my website) that a customer had filed fraud charges against me with her bank. Wow. Me, fraudulent? That's a first. Stripe explained to me that the US bank would take the money out of my bank account together with a fine. But I could appeal against this. I only needed to prove to the bank that this customer had really purchased from me. That I, nor anyone else, was charging or using her credit card illegally. An invoice would not do. Anyone could produce one. I needed her signature. Small problem: there is none when you use your credit card online... Next option: contact the customer and sort things out. In the meantime, the US bank was in a hurry and plundered my bank account. The order dates back to the end of August. My efforts to contact the customer by email were in vain. She is subscribed to my newsletter and I could see that she opened those occasionally. My emails thus did come through. After a week of using all my email addresses and the one belonging to my husband, I decided to call her. I called her repeatedly. The phone was not picked up. I hoped it was a cell phone. In Germany and the Netherlands, the number tells you if it belongs to a landline or a cell phone. This is not the case in the US. But it was now my last resort. I texted said customer. I could see that she had read the message, but she did not reply. Finally, she did, and things went even more bizarre.
Apparently, she has had memory problems for a while. She could not remember ordering from me. Could I please just cancel the order? No, I can't. The case has now been escalated on the side of the customer and that customer is now the only one who can put things straight. I explained to her that she needed to contact her bank and have the fraud charges against me lifted. She promised she would. I lost contact with her until she contacted me in the middle of the night (!). She needed to know which credit card she had used for the purchase. As I was afraid to lose contact with her again, I opened my laptop and gave her the details. Now I have lost contact again. It does not look like I will win this dispute with the US bank. And I doubt the customer gets things sorted. And even when she does, I will not be reimbursed for the fraud fine. Most of my sales go through PayPal. I have had one or two disputes there in the past. All solved in a civil manner. Quick and without financial harm to either me or the customer. PayPal has buyer's and seller's protection. As it should be. The way forward? All orders are from now on handled by PayPal. You cannot use your credit card directly in my webshop anymore. I am sorry to those loyal customers who have previously bought from me using their credit card. But I am sure that they will understand that this is now no longer an option.
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Ali
30/10/2023 20:19:45
So sorry that you are having these problems! It does take so much time and energy, not to mention stress, sorting it out. Using PayPal sounds like an ideal solution and I'm sure most of your loyal following will agree. Best wishes, Ali
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31/10/2023 08:10:55
Thanks so much for your support, Ali! And thank you for recognising that this causes stress and drains energy. I have a tendency, like most people, to beat myself up about these things.
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30/10/2023 20:29:22
It is sad that there are so many out there that think copyright theft and credit card payment manipulation are acceptable behaviour. I do not accept credit cards for the same reason. Paypal has a cost similar to credit cards, but I have never had a problem that was not resolved quickly.
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31/10/2023 08:13:01
Thank you so much for your support, Richard! Yes, there are similar systems in other countries too. They are just not global. Not even EU-wide. It would help so much! And I am happy to hear that PayPal works for you too.
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Kimberly Kertis
30/10/2023 20:30:49
Oh dear, I am so sorry this has happened to you. I understand the reason for the policy and support your efforts to put all to rights. Unfortunately negative events do drive the need for business changes.
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31/10/2023 08:15:08
Thank you so much for your support, Kimberly! Yes, I do need to change things when they harm my business. And that's why I wrote the blog post. To make others aware of the risk too. And to explain why things needed to change. But it sure sucks!
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Victoria Wood
30/10/2023 20:41:22
Oh Jessica! I’m so very sorry to hear of your troubles with the fraudsters. Hope there is some sort of resolution that will reimburse you for the fraudulent “fraud” fine. If this person was an actual customer and subscriber, it makes no sense for her to escalate things with her bank without contacting you first. Sigh. Such people ruin things for the honest and supportive stitchers out there!
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31/10/2023 08:17:26
Thank you so much for your support, Victoria! I don't get it either that people don't contact the seller first before they go to their bank and escalate things. But it happens. The mild variation is that people just leave a negative review.
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Christine Brunner
30/10/2023 21:19:09
Very sorry that this has happened to you.
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31/10/2023 08:18:05
Thank you so much for your support, Christine! Much appriciated.
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Melody Mcmath
30/10/2023 21:20:44
I’m so sorry you are having this difficulty. If the lady is indeed having memory difficulties I am sorry for her as well.. I prefer to use PayPal for just these reasons. Keeping you in my thoughts.
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31/10/2023 08:19:29
Thank you very much for your support, Melody! Yes, that's the other thing. I can only hope that her bank is wise enough to put some measures in place so that she can't harm herself financially due to her mental state.
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Debbie
30/10/2023 21:37:46
So sorry this has happened to you . This is just not fair ! I hope this person will be honest and sort it out quickly for you .
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31/10/2023 08:20:37
Thank you so much for your support, Debbie! Yes, I hope she gets things sorted out. But I am not very hopeful.
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30/10/2023 21:48:23
Oh, how awful.... Did the bank refund you your money? I've used PayPal ever since it launched and have never had a problem, but there have been nightmare stories from others there, too. Things are bound to happen as no system is perfect....
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31/10/2023 08:22:22
Thank you so much for your support, Rachel! No, I have not had a refund so far. I doubt the lady gets things sorted. I don't think she is mentally capable to do so. Some people will just not use PayPal. And I will have to accept that that is not my problem!
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Gary Parr
31/10/2023 01:30:31
Really sorry this has happened. Makes it frustrating and difficult to do business.
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31/10/2023 08:24:01
Thank you so much for your support, Gary! Yes, it causes so much havoc and it has such a knock-on effect. Some people do not realise that I (and most other small businesses) do not have an assistent who deals with this while I crack on with the important stuff.
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Margaret
31/10/2023 10:42:06
I am so sorry you have had such a problem. I always use PayPal now and have never had a problem.
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31/10/2023 13:15:05
Thank you so much for your support, Margaret! Yes, I am very happy with PayPal too.
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Elina Gundersen
31/10/2023 10:47:32
Oh no! So sorry for you. Hope it gets solved and soon. Breathe deep and slow.
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31/10/2023 13:16:01
Thank you so much for your support, Elina! Yes, let's hope she gets back to me soon. In the meantime, I'll sit and mediate a lot :).
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Irene Kennedy
31/10/2023 16:24:09
How sad that you have to undergo such an ordeal. And yes you have to protect yourself. I have found that looking through my emails is like traversing a minefield. If the client has memory problems, you may never get this issue resolved. But we can only hope. To a brighter future.
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31/10/2023 19:16:28
Thank you very much for your support, Irene! To a brighter future indeed.
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Leslie Bratschi
5/11/2023 13:43:59
I have had so much fraud done to me in the past couple of years. I've had it where they have charged more money than I have authorized. Now my bank is saying if it happens again that they will take my debit card away if it happens again for 3 years. Since my debit card is all I use iam more careful than ever. Sorry for what you are going through.
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5/11/2023 16:13:08
Thank you very much for your support, Leslie! The practices you describe sound awful. As far as I know, things like that are hardly possible here in Germany or my native Netherlands. All transactions done online need to have two-step authentication. During the process, you are asked to accept the amount stated in your app. There is no way, for instance, that I can change the amount deducted from your card manually. It is all handled by my webshop. I cannot access those details even if I want to.
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Denise Robello
7/11/2023 20:29:14
That's exhausting and frustrating. I hope you find some space to breathe.
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8/11/2023 08:39:19
Thank you very much for your support, Denise! It is indeed exhausting and frustrating. The lady does not cooperate. She says that she fell and is in a lot of pain. This prevents her from taking care of the matter. She is oblivious to the havoc she has caused.
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Mari-jan
10/11/2023 12:22:23
Hoi Jessica,
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